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| [11:32:27] | <tbot_> | new to aegir, is there a tutorial on installing for OSX? |
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| [12:06:43] | <ergonlogic> | Captain_Haddock: iirc, 16.04 ships w/ PHP7, which wasn't yet fully supported by either Drupal or Drush, the last time that I looked |
| [12:07:27] | <ergonlogic> | .content-area article .meta-post a { color: #ea8f96; |
| [12:07:35] | <ergonlogic> | sigh... |
| [12:07:40] | <ergonlogic> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2704303 |
| [12:07:41] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2704303 => META: PHP 7 Support [#2704303] => 12 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
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| [21:28:29] | <Captain_Haddock> | ergonlogic: Thanks. I'll try with php 5.x. |
| [21:28:39] | <Captain_Haddock> | viashimo: I'll have a look. Thanks :) |
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| [03:52:07] | <Captain_Haddock> | ergonlogic: FYI, it didn't work with php 5 either (same error). But I switched over to Debian 8 and all's well |
| [03:52:08] | <Captain_Haddock> | Thanks. |
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| [05:37:00] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: ping. Got a few minutes to discuss fixing perms for civi? |
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| [06:03:17] | <bgm> | ergonlogic: sure |
| [06:14:19] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: hi. I've been reviewing https://www.drupal.org/node/2679048 and related |
| [06:14:20] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2679048 => Warnings on chmod/chgrp of non-existent directories [#2679048] => 8 comments, 2 IRC mentions |
| [06:14:56] | <ergonlogic> | I'm still seeing chgrp and other warnings regularly, even on 3.7 |
| [06:15:34] | <ergonlogic> | confirming now ehter they're of the same nature |
| [06:18:04] | <bgm> | ergonlogic: i see those warnings all the time, but imho without something with sudo, not much we can do? |
| [06:18:46] | <ergonlogic> | right. sudo, or don't try to chmod/chgrp them |
| [06:18:48] | <bgm> | ah um, forgot that there were some "stat failed" in there. is this only when doing a remote-import? |
| [06:19:01] | <bgm> | ideally if they don't exist, we should create them? |
| [06:19:03] | <ergonlogic> | no, this is just a verify |
| [06:19:21] | <ergonlogic> | I'm starting a fresh issue for this |
| [06:19:28] | <bgm> | ok |
| [06:19:37] | <ergonlogic> | since the other was entangled with upgrades, etc. |
| [06:20:06] | <bgm> | for what it's worth, you might be interested in: https://www.drupal.org/node/2734933 |
| [06:20:06] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2734933 => CIVICRM_UPGRADE_ACTIVE true fails on AEgir tasks [#2734933] => 2 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [06:20:35] | <bgm> | I need to do more testing, but it's a "big" change that needs testing. (it's just a few lines of code, but hard to measure the impact) |
| [06:21:06] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, I looked at that |
| [06:21:17] | <ergonlogic> | I don't really have an opinion though... |
| [06:22:25] | <bgm> | ok, np, mostly a heads up on the incoming chage |
| [06:22:27] | <bgm> | change* |
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| [06:22:55] | <ergonlogic> | thanks. I'll keep an eye out for anything that might be the result of that |
| [06:26:12] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: ok, posted the issue |
| [06:26:52] | <ergonlogic> | this is becoming a real problem, because I get these false positive warnings on just about any operation on the 100+ civi sites we're hosting |
| [06:27:22] | <ergonlogic> | if there's anything actually relevant to a bug or something, I'd never see it through all that noise |
| [06:27:58] | <ergonlogic> | now, if I understand correctly, these are being generated by CiviCRM |
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| [06:28:33] | <ergonlogic> | which is why the file ownership isn't aegir:www-data, but www-data:www-data |
| [06:28:52] | <ergonlogic> | but we see the same thing with files uploaded by Drupal |
| [06:29:04] | <ergonlogic> | and we just ignore most of what's under files/ iirc |
| [06:29:12] | <ergonlogic> | I might be wrong about that... |
| [06:29:38] | <bgm> | fwiw, there is a problem that sometimes occurs when drush crons run before the website had the time to create the folder |
| [06:29:45] | <ergonlogic> | but, to what extent do we actually need to chmod/chown/chgrp these files? |
| [06:29:46] | <bgm> | because the files get created as aegir.aegir |
| [06:29:50] | <bgm> | ex: ConfigAndLog |
| [06:30:04] | <ergonlogic> | ah, ok |
| [06:30:15] | <bgm> | yeah, ConfigAndLog and template_c, the cron might write in them |
| [06:30:21] | <bgm> | so they need to be chgrp'd |
| [06:30:24] | <ergonlogic> | so we need to chown them to www-data, and not the other way around? |
| [06:31:02] | <bgm> | i forget which, but either way, those files may get created by either www-data or by aegir, and the other must be able to write in them as well |
| [06:31:31] | <ergonlogic> | because sometimes we're running drush commands as aegir? |
| [06:31:38] | <bgm> | yep, cron such as civimail |
| [06:31:49] | <ergonlogic> | hmm |
| [06:32:00] | <bgm> | (or reports, and probably a few others.. even a payment processor might want to log stuff) |
| [06:32:07] | <ergonlogic> | so, some of these are caches, right? |
| [06:32:28] | <bgm> | in an ideal world, we could disable the template_c cache, and logs should be forwarded to a real logging service... |
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| [06:32:53] | <bgm> | template_c is cache (smarty, which is like twig), and ConfigAndLog, well, mostly just logging |
| [06:33:08] | <ergonlogic> | logs don't go under template_c though, right? |
| [06:33:27] | <bgm> | correct |
| [06:33:48] | <ergonlogic> | I mean, on verify tasks, we clear the civi cache after failing all those chgrps |
| [06:33:57] | <ergonlogic> | maybe we could move the cc earlier |
| [06:34:12] | <ergonlogic> | and blow away some of those files/dirs before they cause problems? |
| [06:35:34] | <bgm> | maybe, but there could be cases where the permissions are not set correctly, so the cache flush will fail? |
| [06:36:47] | <ergonlogic> | so, setuid/setgid don't work here? |
| [06:37:23] | <ergonlogic> | I guess because they're all subdirs |
| [06:38:48] | <bgm> | are those chmods recursive? is that what the 3rd arg is? |
| [06:39:04] | <bgm> | i.e. provision_file()->chgrp($fullpath, d('@server_master')->web_group, TRUE) |
| [06:39:05] | <ergonlogic> | which function(s) are you looking at? |
| [06:39:15] | <ergonlogic> | ah. yeas, I believe so |
| [06:39:21] | <bgm> | in _provision_civicrm_fixpermissions() |
| [06:39:44] | <ergonlogic> | http://api.aegirproject.org/api/Provision/Provision!FileSystem.php/funct... |
| [06:39:53] | <bgm> | I guess it's wishful thinking that those chmods/grps will work.. |
| [06:40:00] | <bgm> | but imho we need a sudo fix :/ |
| [06:40:27] | <ergonlogic> | so... there's another possible fix that might avoid sudo |
| [06:40:39] | <ergonlogic> | which is to copy/delete/move |
| [06:41:40] | <ergonlogic> | basically replace the existing file with a properly owner copy that we then paste over the original |
| [06:41:50] | <bgm> | i'm not sure I follow, but some of those directories can grow big |
| [06:41:50] | <ergonlogic> | s/paste/move |
| [06:42:14] | <ergonlogic> | yeah, it'd have to operate on the leaves, I guess |
| [06:42:23] | <ergonlogic> | but the dirs would be problematic |
| [06:42:55] | <ergonlogic> | ok, so we'd talked about having a script that could be safely added to aegir's sudo... |
| [06:43:45] | <ergonlogic> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2616426 |
| [06:43:46] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2616426 => Add 'fix permissions' task [#2616426] => 17 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [06:44:17] | <bgm> | yep |
| [06:49:42] | <ergonlogic> | ok, so that issue has gone in the direction of a script that fixes an entire platform |
| [06:50:12] | <ergonlogic> | I was thinking more along the lines of something that would be called on an individual file/directory |
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| [06:51:09] | <ergonlogic> | basically, as a fall-back when aegir's attempt to fix the perms (or whatever) have already failedv |
| [06:56:17] | <Captain_Haddock> | Anyone know how hosting_remote_import handles sites with remote database servers? |
| [06:56:55] | <Captain_Haddock> | Will it retain that setting or perhaps ask me what to do? |
| [06:57:51] | <ergonlogic> | Captain_Haddock: remote_import take a backup of the site, and rsyncs it to where it needs to be. If you have multiple db servers, then it should give you the option of deploying the db to one of those. |
| [06:58:31] | <ergonlogic> | but the Aegir where you're importing to has to know about the db server |
| [06:59:15] | <Captain_Haddock> | ergonlogic: Makes sense. Thanks. |
| [07:01:16] | <ergonlogic> | bgm: so, re. the sudo option... |
| [07:01:32] | <ergonlogic> | is there any reason aegir would need to sudo root? |
| [07:01:57] | <ergonlogic> | couldn't we sudo to www-data to then chown to aegir? |
| [07:02:23] | <bgm> | i'm not sure that's possible, is it? |
| [07:02:37] | <ergonlogic> | what isn't? |
| [07:02:51] | <bgm> | for a user to chown their files |
| [07:03:34] | <viashimo> | i don't think you can give away your files |
| [07:03:39] | <bgm> | even chgrp is pretty limited for users (they can only chgrp to groups that they are a member of) |
| [07:04:22] | <viashimo> | we use scripts run as root (but they aren't part of the regular verify/etc.) |
| [07:05:35] | <bgm> | i have to afk for a bit, will be back later |
| [07:07:54] | <ergonlogic> | oh, right, CAP_CHOWN, and all that |
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