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| [14:45:08] | <beautifulmind> | Hello |
| [14:45:08] | <hefring> | bonjour |
| [14:45:22] | <beautifulmind> | would like to know about the current status of aegir |
| [14:45:29] | <beautifulmind> | is it compatible/ready for Drupal8? |
| [14:45:43] | <beautifulmind> | I did not have a look at it for quite some time |
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| [17:29:31] | <helmo> | ergonlog1c: FYI, Jenkins fails since the Debian 8.6 update on puppet/ruby stuff ... http://ci.aegirproject.org/job/P_Aegir_Puppet_Module_functional_test_Aeg... |
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| [00:43:34] | <ergonlog1c> | helmo: sigh... I probably won't have a chance to look at it until the week after next. I just got a fairly hefty contract to finish up hosting_report and get Docker support to at least a prototype stage. But it all has to be complete by next Friday. |
| [00:44:26] | <ergonlog1c> | btw, part of that is going to go through the co-op, and other parts are being referred from the co-op to a couple members |
| [00:44:43] | <ergonlog1c> | but it's a very tight schedule. |
| [00:45:45] | <ergonlog1c> | also: |
| [00:45:59] | * ergonlog1c thinks everyone should check out https://www.drupal.org/project/hosting_report right away :) |
| [00:52:57] | <anarcat> | nice |
| [00:54:59] | <helmo> | ergonlog1c: nice .. I'll have to try that. |
| [00:57:27] | <helmo> | ergonlog1c: Adam mentioned that the scrum @22:00 is a bit late. What is we switched the scrum and coop meeting? Then we can that shorter and only focus on 'formal' coop stuff. |
| [01:05:28] | <ergonlog1c> | sure, that makes sense |
| [01:05:57] | <ergonlog1c> | we're usually so eager to talk about technical stuff that it bleeds into the co-op discussions anyway |
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| [04:56:16] | <helmo> | Hi all, lets do the scrum first... and coop meeting afterwards(if we have formal stuff) ... starting in 5 minutes. |
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| [04:58:02] | <helmo> | ergonlog1c: gboudrias jonpugh memtkmcc colan bgm ^^^ |
| [04:58:29] | <memtkmcc> | helmo: works for me, thanks! |
| [04:58:46] | <ergonlog1c> | hi there |
| [04:58:46] | <hefring> | que tal |
| [04:59:40] | <ergonlog1c> | so, who wants to go first? |
| [04:59:57] | <ergonlog1c> | first off, I guess we should welcome Adam :) |
| [05:00:17] | <ergonlog1c> | thanks for your efforts in the queue recently |
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| [05:01:18] | <memtkmcc> | hi all, thanks for the invite! I hope I can contribute a bit to the project, at least in the nginx stuff |
| [05:02:15] | <ergonlog1c> | memtkmcc: has there been anything worth noting in your recent Aegir efforts? |
| [05:02:31] | <ergonlog1c> | any issues you're stuck on, or need help with, etc. ? |
| [05:03:01] | <memtkmcc> | I'm trying to unfork boa, but these hairy patches are just for review, for now, not sure if they are good for general audience, at least they worked for us very well |
| [05:03:27] | <memtkmcc> | so it is a start |
| [05:04:25] | <memtkmcc> | I hope to be useful for the project, once I know the code even better |
| [05:04:35] | <ergonlog1c> | where has boa diverged from mainline Aegir? |
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| [05:05:19] | <helmo> | I noticed a number of extra verifiy tasks being run |
| [05:05:42] | <memtkmcc> | not much, really, just when we wanted to run provision 3.x with hostmaster 2.x, or when we tried to use latest drush, or when we had to fix some very old problems in the ux |
| [05:06:14] | <colan> | memtkmcc: so various odds & ends then, nothing really major? |
| [05:07:05] | <ergonlog1c> | in the past couple months, I've been running a 'drush rr' as part of verify, iirc |
| [05:07:20] | <ergonlog1c> | and using the sudo-based permissions fixes |
| [05:07:33] | <memtkmcc> | yeah, these extra verify tasks were required to fix some old issues with aliases and packages, however I don't think we have tried to reproduce these old issues with current vanilla Aegir, so, this needs some testing |
| [05:07:37] | <ergonlog1c> | which I know boa does externally |
| [05:07:40] | <memtkmcc> | yep, nothing major |
| [05:08:12] | <memtkmcc> | just some fixes and polishing ux for the end users |
| [05:08:51] | <memtkmcc> | yes, we have run rrr for a long time already, and it saved us tons of support tickets |
| [05:09:01] | <ergonlog1c> | ok, well we'd certainly welcome that in core, I suspect |
| [05:09:12] | <colan> | so are we including rr . |
| [05:09:18] | <colan> | ...oh, nm. :) |
| [05:09:23] | <memtkmcc> | basically, once we have added all those modifications, tickets queue got almost silent ;) |
| [05:09:36] | <ergonlog1c> | yeah, it's stabilized a bunch of stuff, especially with 7.50 |
| [05:10:39] | <ergonlog1c> | memtkmcc: have you tried the permission fixes yet? |
| [05:11:31] | <memtkmcc> | not yet, since we have that bash script for this stuff, although running it on demand and on the fly would be much better |
| [05:12:19] | <ergonlog1c> | to the extent that we can incorporate some of your external stuff into Aegir, we should evaluate that |
| [05:13:35] | <memtkmcc> | that would be great, indeed |
| [05:13:43] | <ergonlog1c> | anything else? |
| [05:13:58] | <memtkmcc> | that is it from me, I think |
| [05:14:25] | <helmo> | Great :) |
| [05:14:39] | <helmo> | Just mailed a photo of some Aegir stickers I made to the discuss@ list |
| [05:15:18] | <ergonlog1c> | neat! |
| [05:15:58] | <helmo> | I can sent some over for a future conference |
| [05:16:35] | <ergonlog1c> | that'd be great |
| [05:16:58] | <helmo> | I also updated aegir_rules module a bit and now receive mail when a task fails ... example rule is now in the README. |
| [05:17:39] | <helmo> | Fixing an issue before the client calls is always nicer :) |
| [05:19:10] | <ergonlog1c> | the co-op should probably re-imburse you for those |
| [05:19:51] | <ergonlog1c> | I've been thinking of resurrecting hosting_notifications |
| [05:21:24] | <helmo> | Most notifications could probably be done via rules |
| [05:21:43] | <ergonlog1c> | indeed |
| [05:21:44] | <helmo> | We could even build hosting_notifications to be a set of default rules |
| [05:23:07] | <ergonlog1c> | right |
| [05:23:18] | <ergonlog1c> | hosting_notifications hasn't been touched in 5+ years |
| [05:23:36] | <ergonlog1c> | so I don't know how much would be worth trying to port |
| [05:24:09] | <helmo> | ergonlog1c: did you unfreeze my mail in the discuss@ list? |
| [05:24:15] | <ergonlog1c> | yes |
| [05:24:28] | <ergonlog1c> | it was too big, with the image attachment |
| [05:24:32] | <helmo> | ok, thanks... just noticed the auto rely |
| [05:25:09] | <helmo> | a 40kb limit might be getting a bit low these days |
| [05:25:16] | <ergonlog1c> | agreed |
| [05:25:29] | <ergonlog1c> | I'd bumped it up on some of the coop lists |
| [05:25:45] | <colan> | probably better to just bake those into the main aegir_rules module, and deprecate hosting_notifications? |
| [05:26:30] | <ergonlog1c> | I think notifications would need some additional stuff though |
| [05:26:46] | <ergonlog1c> | like being able to (un)subscribe from notifications per site, or whatever |
| [05:27:11] | <ergonlog1c> | which is probably outside the scope of aegir_rules, I'd think |
| [05:27:30] | <helmo> | true ... doing that in rules is not super userfriendly |
| [05:27:40] | <colan> | makes sense. |
| [05:27:48] | <colan> | neither is in the docs so i didn't know about them. |
| [05:27:52] | <ergonlog1c> | seems like aegir_rules should be more APIish |
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| [05:28:28] | <ergonlog1c> | rather "remain more APIish"" |
| [05:28:32] | <helmo> | and it is ... it just exposes tasks to rules |
| [05:28:57] | <ergonlog1c> | exactly |
| [05:29:24] | <helmo> | but is's also not complete... the list on the project page is not actually correct... and needs work :( |
| [05:29:36] | <helmo> | but we have an issue for that |
| [05:29:51] | <ergonlog1c> | I've been thinking about how to integrate some kind of alerting into the monitoring and reporting stuff I've done recently |
| [05:30:06] | <ergonlog1c> | so rules would be a good way to do that |
| [05:31:09] | <helmo> | filling a mail body with a few tokens is easy |
| [05:31:19] | <ergonlog1c> | that is, the monitoring probe could presumably trigger a condition, that could them be picked up by the notifications module |
| [05:31:48] | <helmo> | The reporting module looks interresting ... I'll try it tomorrow |
| [05:31:57] | <ergonlog1c> | sorry, "trigger an event", I guess |
| [05:32:14] | <ergonlog1c> | it's been a long while since I've worked with Rules |
| [05:32:27] | <ergonlog1c> | yeah, I've put quite a bit of effort into it lately |
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| [05:33:04] | <ergonlog1c> | I broke it up into 3 modules |
| [05:33:21] | <ergonlog1c> | hosting_monitoring, hosting_reporting and hosting_site_audit |
| [05:33:55] | <helmo> | I made some progress on the Travis testing only hostmaster is now stil failing |
| [05:34:17] | <memtkmcc> | the monitoring/reporting/audit looks nice, we have previously implemented a very simple check like this, by using security-review in hosting_tasks_extra: https://github.com/omega8cc/hosting_tasks_extra/blob/7.x-3.x/drush/provi... |
| [05:34:18] | <ergonlog1c> | oops, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt |
| [05:35:22] | <ergonlog1c> | well, based on Colan's suggestion, I integrated site_audit, which provides something like 70 checks |
| [05:35:33] | <ergonlog1c> | about 2/3 of which work at this point |
| [05:35:42] | <helmo> | nice |
| [05:36:04] | <ergonlog1c> | the rest mostly depend on output from other checks, so I still need to work out how to do that |
| [05:36:09] | <ergonlog1c> | but I have ome ideas |
| [05:36:14] | <ergonlog1c> | some* |
| [05:36:23] | <colan> | memtkmcc: security_review works with site_audit though so maybe we could funnel everything through that? https://www.drupal.org/node/2279283 |
| [05:36:24] | <hefring> | https://www.drupal.org/node/2279283 => Integrate with site_audit [#2279283] => 28 comments, 1 IRC mention |
| [05:36:26] | <ergonlog1c> | it's also, only for Drupal 7 sites, atm |
| [05:37:04] | <memtkmcc> | colan: we didn't use site_audit, because it produced too much false positives in the boa hardened env, but I think we have an issue for it: https://github.com/omega8cc/boa/issues/634 |
| [05:37:06] | <ergonlog1c> | but that shouldn't be too difficult to solve |
| [05:37:20] | <ergonlog1c> | memtkmcc: I'd come across that |
| [05:37:40] | <ergonlog1c> | I'm going to experiment with the "vendor" capabilities in site_audit |
| [05:38:04] | <colan> | it would make sense that vendor-specific stuff can go in there. |
| [05:38:08] | <ergonlog1c> | the 2 false positives I've been seeing are related to the default site's settings.php, etc. |
| [05:38:12] | <colan> | er, aegir-specific |
| [05:38:20] | <ergonlog1c> | yep |
| [05:38:40] | <memtkmcc> | yes, it should allow to define Aegir specific stuff (the 'vendor') |
| [05:38:42] | <ergonlog1c> | for now I'm just using a probes_alter() hook I added to drop them from the list |
| [05:39:25] | <colan> | we could also fix false positives upstream :) |
| [05:39:34] | <colan> | that project is good at accepting patches. |
| [05:40:16] | <memtkmcc> | right, fluxsauce is very open for suggestions: https://github.com/omega8cc/boa/issues/634 |
| [05:40:34] | <ergonlog1c> | other nifty features include the abilities to check/probe frequency individually, and ignore individual results on a site-by-site basis |
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| [05:41:13] | <ergonlog1c> | right, I was figuring to submit a patch adding "Aegir" as a vendor |
| [05:41:42] | <ergonlog1c> | also, they need to add a method to allow setting the check registry |
| [05:41:55] | <ergonlog1c> | that'll be coming in the coming week or so |
| [05:44:08] | <ergonlog1c> | I also included font-awesome and some tooltips, which I think we might want to consider as part of modernizing our UI |
| [05:44:16] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: why 3 modules? |
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| [05:45:34] | <ergonlog1c> | they're functionality is different enough to warrant it, imo |
| [05:46:18] | <ergonlog1c> | I also wanted to make sure that each component was extensible/overrideable |
| [05:46:40] | * colan nods |
| [05:46:57] | <ergonlog1c> | so they consume each other's APIs, extend their classes, etc. |
| [05:47:57] | <ergonlog1c> | my main goals was to make it as simple as possible to extend with additional/custom probes |
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| [05:48:32] | <ergonlog1c> | which it is |
| [05:49:09] | <ergonlog1c> | for example, I plan to add a bunch more probes as part of hosting_civicrm |
| [05:50:03] | <ergonlog1c> | other big news is that NDI's fiscal year-end means a bit of a windfall for us |
| [05:50:58] | <ergonlog1c> | apart from sponsoring additional work on the reporting stuff, they're covering a bunch of tests in hosting_civicrm, and building a prototype of Docker/Rancher integration |
| [05:51:58] | <helmo> | Good to hear |
| [05:52:03] | <ergonlog1c> | some of which is going through the co-op even |
| [05:52:03] | <colan> | that would make jonpugh happy :) |
| [05:53:18] | <ergonlog1c> | I'm sure his recent twins will be keeping him plenty happy :) |
| [05:53:53] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: any other news? |
| [05:53:56] | <ergonlog1c> | oh, so in terms on core... |
| [05:54:21] | <ergonlog1c> | in building the queues for monitoring, I came across a bit of a nasty limitation |
| [05:54:50] | <ergonlog1c> | in that we do this magic function naming thing for the queues |
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| [05:55:51] | <ergonlog1c> | basically, we require functions like hosting_QUEUE_NAME_queue() |
| [05:56:32] | <ergonlog1c> | meaning that it's hard to dynamically add queues |
| [05:57:13] | <ergonlog1c> | like per Aegir context-type |
| [05:58:16] | <helmo> | we'd have to create anotehr hook that lists queue info |
| [05:58:18] | <ergonlog1c> | so, we should probably add a callback parameter in hook_hosting_queues(), so that we can overide that |
| [05:59:02] | <ergonlog1c> | well, it's really just the function that gets called to execute the queue |
| [05:59:46] | <helmo> | ah, yes a callback parameter sounds like a fix |
| [06:00:06] | <jonpugh> | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Nj2JSur8/George+%26+Maxwell.jpg |
| [06:00:06] | <hefring> | jonpugh: 1 week 3 days ago <memtkmcc> tell jonpugh: Cool! I think we may be setting up a NYC presence for OpenProducer and related music/media activities very soon (from gusaus) |
| [06:00:14] | <jonpugh> | I only have two updates |
| [06:00:25] | <jonpugh> | ;) |
| [06:00:26] | <ergonlog1c> | we could maintain the existing API by defaulting to the existing behaviour, if no callback is defined |
| [06:00:42] | <ergonlog1c> | jonpugh: congrats! |
| [06:00:46] | <helmo> | jonpugh: Congratulations |
| [06:00:53] | <colan> | jonpugh: everything went smoothly? |
| [06:03:16] | <jonpugh> | Perfectly. We are already leaving the hospital in fact |
| [06:03:20] | <jonpugh> | Thanks all |
| [06:03:44] | <ergonlog1c> | enjoy! |
| [06:04:10] | <memtkmcc> | jonpugh: congrats! |
| [06:04:48] | <ergonlog1c> | ok, so should we move over to #aegir-coop for a quick update there? |
| [06:05:31] | <helmo> | sure ... last note from me here ... I'll be in Dublin next week, so I'll probably won't make it to the meeting ... but I'll be having a BoF https://events.drupal.org/dublin2016/bofs/aegir-now-and-next on Tuesday. |
| [06:06:17] | <ergonlog1c> | ok nice! |
| [06:07:53] | <memtkmcc> | ergonlog1c: can you respond when you have a minute? https://github.com/omega8cc/boa/issues/634#issuecomment-249013089 |
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| [06:54:38] | <helmo> | colan, do you use the k9 mail client? When reading your blog url I noticed it did not get highlighted as a link for your colan.consulting domain ... https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/pull/1617 |
| [06:57:30] | <colan> | helmo: indeed i do. |
| [06:58:45] | <colan> | nice! subscribing.... |
| [06:59:25] | <colan> | maintaining that list is going to be more annoying with new TLDs constantly coming on the market. |
| [07:01:04] | <colan> | ideally it could grab a list from some authoritative source, and then cache it. |
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| [07:04:35] | <helmo> | colan: the regex is generated by a script with a list from IANA as source. But using a library as suggested in #1223 is a better long term solution |
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| [07:14:14] | <colan> | helmo: ok, great. there's an issue for that then. |
| [07:16:12] | * colan just added the Rules & Notifications modules to the contrib page. |
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