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| [02:22:48] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: did you guys do any work on the renewal aspect of hosting_https, or does that still need to be done? queue api i guess. |
| [02:23:14] | <colan> | er, cron api? for certificate renewals. |
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| [03:08:12] | <ergonlog1c> | colan: I *think* we call the LE script on verify tasks, and that it'll automatically generate a new cert if within 30 days of expiry |
| [03:08:19] | <ergonlog1c> | but I may be wrong |
| [03:09:07] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: ok, so this could very well be working already. i'll take a look. |
| [03:09:13] | <ergonlog1c> | we'd still need a queue to ensure that verify is being run frequently enough... |
| [03:12:33] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: right. this is a verify on the site or the server? |
| [03:18:29] | <ergonlog1c> | site, iirc |
| [03:20:40] | <ergonlog1c> | colan: would you mind reviewing (and hopefully approving) the 2 merge reqs here: https://gitlab.com/aegir/aegir/merge_requests? |
| [03:20:49] | <ergonlog1c> | they're pretty basic |
| [03:21:31] | <ergonlog1c> | but I'd like to merge them before starting the MR for https://gitlab.com/aegir/aegir/issues/5 |
| [03:22:14] | <ergonlog1c> | which is coming along nicely, but will be significantly bigger |
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| [03:28:39] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: yup, will do. while you're waiting for me, care to review https://gitlab.com/aegir/hosting_https/merge_requests/8 ? ;) |
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| [03:31:10] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: why the layout management? sounds a bit front-endy for us. |
| [03:31:30] | <colan> | also, i'm part of that whole anti-panels movement. |
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| [03:41:30] | <ergonlog1c> | I'll take a look at that MR |
| [03:42:08] | <ergonlog1c> | as for Panels, everything is moving towards layout plugins, apparently |
| [03:42:34] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: what does that have to do with aegir though? |
| [03:42:58] | <ergonlog1c> | I figure we need something for some default layouts |
| [03:43:00] | <colan> | as in, why do we care about managing layouts? |
| [03:43:30] | <ergonlog1c> | how would you suggest we handle building our default UI? |
| [03:44:50] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: just pick a theme with regions that make sense, and go with that one. not sure we need to provide layout choices to users. |
| [03:47:49] | <ergonlog1c> | I'd prefer to have more flexibility than that, without having to resort to creating theme templates |
| [03:48:29] | <ergonlog1c> | I can imagine that viewing a task log might have a pretty significantly different page layout, than when viewing a list of applications |
| [03:48:46] | <ergonlog1c> | or a deployment entity |
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| [03:49:18] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: i guess that's useful, but it wouldn't be the first thing i'd work on, but i generally don't worry about presentation too much. |
| [03:49:33] | <colan> | sounds reasonable. |
| [03:50:01] | <ergonlog1c> | no, it isn't a priority for me, but I don;t think it should be too much of an after-thought either |
| [03:50:28] | <ergonlog1c> | aegir's ux is one of it's most frequently criticised aspects |
| [03:50:45] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: the problem with panels is/was that it too bulky, the UX was horrendous, and users did everything though there overriding the standard way to do things. |
| [03:51:23] | <colan> | if the new stuff you're using doesn't have these problems, then i'm all for it. |
| [03:51:28] | <ergonlog1c> | well, recall that we're building an application here, not a site |
| [03:51:57] | <ergonlog1c> | so having a standard way to handle ui elements will probably come in handy |
| [03:52:24] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: let's give it a go then. |
| [03:52:37] | <ergonlog1c> | but panels 8 was refactored atop layout_pluging.module (or something like that), which is apparently being considered for core |
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| [03:53:36] | <ergonlog1c> | I'm not really familiar enough with it all yet to be sure |
| [03:54:03] | <colan> | i guess we can rip it out later if we choose to. doesn't hurt to experiment; maybe it's good. |
| [03:54:19] | <ergonlog1c> | but greater flexibility around altering the UI has been a frequent request |
| [03:54:27] | <ergonlog1c> | yep |
| [03:54:29] | * colan nods |
| [03:54:37] | <ergonlog1c> | I'd be open to removing/replacing it |
| [03:55:10] | <colan> | if it's a frequent request, then let's try this thing. |
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| [03:57:46] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: approved both, but i see "This merge request has unresolved discussions" for each. |
| [03:58:52] | <ergonlog1c> | ok, I'll take a look |
| [03:59:21] | <ergonlog1c> | for https/dehydrated... Do you have any plans for packaging, etc. on d.o? |
| [03:59:54] | <ergonlog1c> | lst I heard, git submodules still aren't supported in d.o's packaging scripts |
| [04:00:32] | <ergonlog1c> | so we mgiht want to go with a subtree merge or something, if that's the plan |
| [04:00:47] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: i was going to talk to you about this. the README says we're committing the library directly to the project, but then submodules are also there. |
| [04:01:43] | <colan> | i'm not sure either of these are the way to go. something like the Libraries module may make more sense until Composer is supported. |
| [04:02:01] | <colan> | what have you folks done with libraries like this generally? |
| [04:02:02] | <ergonlog1c> | I *think* we were copying the script itself from the submodule, but I don't recall anymore |
| [04:02:45] | <ergonlog1c> | we haven't really used anything similar, afaict |
| [04:02:54] | <ergonlog1c> | maybe in devshop |
| [04:02:57] | <colan> | for now i just kept both in there, but thanks for raising it. |
| [04:03:07] | <ergonlog1c> | but we'd definitely suffered from NIH syndrome |
| [04:04:15] | <ergonlog1c> | iirc, our .deb uses the hostmaster distro tarball. So, if we want to include https, we'll have to sort that out |
| [04:04:40] | <colan> | jonpugh: thoughts on managing libraries? |
| [04:04:58] | <ergonlog1c> | subtree merge should work, and provide an easy (enough) way to stay up-to-date with upstream, fwiw |
| [04:05:32] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: my final thoughts when i first thought about this were to get it stable first, and then worry about it. |
| [04:05:37] | <colan> | i can look into subtree. |
| [04:06:37] | <colan> | i'll create an issue that we can worry about when we need to start packaging. |
| [04:06:52] | <ergonlog1c> | sure |
| [04:07:08] | <colan> | for now, i'm happy wity git clone --recursive. |
| [04:07:13] | <ergonlog1c> | ... I don't see any of the discussions that gitlab is complaining about... |
| [04:07:25] | <ergonlog1c> | colan: that'll work in a drush makefile too |
| [04:07:49] | <colan> | yeah, exactly. could be a pipline issue? haven't seen this msg before. |
| [04:08:06] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: people still use drush makefiles? :) |
| [04:08:59] | <ergonlog1c> | jhestrom and I are going to keep maintaining it, after it get's spun out of Drush 9+ |
| [04:09:11] | <ergonlog1c> | at least until D7 goes EOL |
| [04:11:54] | <ergonlog1c> | I disabled the merge block on un-resolved discussions |
| [04:13:01] | <colan> | ok, but that doesn't explain why things are blocked. |
| [04:13:02] | <colan> | https://gitlab.com/aegir/hosting_https/issues/12 |
| [04:13:41] | <ergonlog1c> | no, it doesn't |
| [04:13:44] | <colan> | looks like those merges are going through now. |
| [04:13:49] | <ergonlog1c> | I assume it's a bug in gitlab |
| [04:13:59] | <ergonlog1c> | there's a setting on the project, btw |
| [04:14:14] | <ergonlog1c> | to block merges until all discussions are resolved |
| [04:14:53] | <colan> | right. these guys are really bleeding edge so yes, bugs. i just ran into https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/24654 |
| [04:15:36] | <ergonlog1c> | I guess they run their latest release, if not RCs |
| [04:15:45] | <colan> | that (boards), along with their pipeline stuff is really new. so i'm not surprised. |
| [04:15:55] | <ergonlog1c> | good way to get feedback, considering it's free/gratis |
| [04:16:14] | <colan> | seems to work for 'em ;) |
| [04:16:36] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: any other thoughts on my MR? |
| [04:17:04] | <ergonlog1c> | I should have some initial commits on adding some basic entities by eod |
| [04:17:33] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: hey, scaffolding is good. take your time. |
| [04:17:48] | <ergonlog1c> | they won't yet have any interesting functionality, just crud+l10n+revisions |
| [04:18:01] | <ergonlog1c> | and testing of all that |
| [04:18:11] | <ergonlog1c> | or most, anyway |
| [04:18:17] | <colan> | thumbs up |
| [04:18:57] | <ergonlog1c> | well, that'll then give us somewhere obvious to put all our "real" functionality |
| [04:21:00] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: let me know about my MR as I need that to move forward. |
| [04:27:38] | <ergonlog1c> | colan: I'd given it a thumbs up ) |
| [04:28:01] | <ergonlog1c> | is https set up for approvals now too? |
| [04:30:41] | <ergonlog1c> | colan: is there something specific you'd like me to do? I don't really have any comment beyond +1 |
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| [04:34:09] | <colan> | ergonlog1c: ah, ok. was just thinking you'd merge it. i can do that if you looked it over. |
| [04:34:16] | <colan> | no, haven't set that up yet. |
| [04:34:47] | <ergonlog1c> | sorry, I thought you'd asked for a review :p |
| [04:35:00] | <colan> | :) |
| [04:35:45] | <colan> | now i should be able to try running this thing... |
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