| [11:21:32] | <gusaus> | interesting https://medium.com/@rob_86775/3-the-case-for-drupal-and-saas-d731248494f7#.ox613y1aq |
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| [02:13:07] | <ergonlog1c> | hefring: tell gusaus Interesting, but I think Robert is confusing an e-commerce front-end with the hosted SaaS distribution. While building the latter in Drupal makes all kinds of sense, doing so with the former, while feasible, is a completely separate issue. We've seen all kinds of alternatives in the Aegir-based SaaS space. |
| [02:13:07] | <hefring> | ergonlog1c: I'll pass that on when gusaus is around. |
| [02:14:18] | <anarcat> | is this the new drush? https://github.com/hechoendrupal/DrupalConsole |
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| [02:45:55] | <reaper013> | anarcat: never heard of Drupal Console before? |
| [02:46:46] | <anarcat> | no |
| [02:46:49] | <anarcat> | i'm this old dude |
| [02:47:00] | <anarcat> | back in my days, our drupal console was butterflies |
| [02:47:18] | <reaper013> | anarcat: ok lol, no problem. It is an adaptation of the Symfony console |
| [02:47:29] | <anarcat> | yeah, i don't know the Symfony console either :p |
| [02:47:30] | <reaper013> | So that you can generate code |
| [02:47:47] | <reaper013> | and there is more and more command to interact with site |
| [02:48:11] | <reaper013> | I prefer using the Drupal console for generating code and use Drush for site administration |
| [02:48:28] | <anarcat> | so this is kind of like rails scaffolding stuff? |
| [02:49:21] | <reaper013> | I don't know rails :), but yeah you can do scaffolding |
| [02:49:26] | <reaper013> | and a lot of debug command |
| [02:50:10] | <reaper013> | recently I think they add commands for site administration but Drush handles site alias and I don't remember Drupal console to do that |
| [02:50:52] | <anarcat> | oh boy site aliases |
| [02:51:00] | <anarcat> | you don't want console to have aliases, trust me |
| [02:51:11] | <anarcat> | run away screaming if they start doing that |
| [02:52:16] | <reaper013> | ^^ |
| [02:52:51] | <anarcat> | that's a bit unfair - maybe there's a way to implement this that is not completely crazy |
| [02:53:07] | <anarcat> | but having gotten lost numerous times in that code in drush, i can tell you it's horribly messy |
| [02:53:11] | <anarcat> | maybe they cleaned that up since then |
| [02:53:14] | <colan> | anarcat: yeah, basically there's overlap, but they can each do things the other can't (Drush aliases, Console scaffolding like module:generate) |
| [02:54:24] | <colan> | so you need both. https://pantheon.io/blog/drush-and-drupal-console-drupal-8 |
| [02:55:00] | <anarcat> | oh wow, greg's got that amazing mustache! |
| [02:55:02] | <anarcat> | haha man |
| [02:55:06] | <anarcat> | is that hipster or what |
| [03:15:37] | <colan> | anarcat: the drupal community's a lot like a Portlandia epidode. ;) |
| [03:15:51] | <colan> | episode. |
| [03:17:00] | <anarcat> | hehe |
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| [04:57:58] | <bgm> | colan: hey, were the PHP 7 fixes you did in aegir 3.8 ? I'm having a weird "out of memory" issue |
| [04:58:20] | <bgm> | oh wait.. hosting_https.. |
| [05:02:01] | <colan> | bgm: ah, so it's not just me with that module! any help tracking that down would be appreciated. |
| [05:02:06] | <colan> | :) |
| [05:02:41] | <colan> | i think it's the queue implementation, but i haven't been able to prove anything. |
| [05:03:41] | <colan> | also, i'd get a views error in the logs, and then views would disappear for a few minutes & then come back. |
| [05:03:56] | <colan> | would happen on cache clears i think. |
| [05:04:25] | <colan> | i guess we can create an issue for it now that you've reproduced it. |
| [05:06:01] | <bgm> | it seems to be looping on scanning directories (looking at strace) |
| [05:06:15] | <colan> | +1 |
| [05:06:51] | <bgm> | I was checking to see if commenting out the queue parts of hosting_le would fix things, but doesn't seem to |
| [05:06:58] | <bgm> | i'll test disabling the module, etc |
| [05:07:06] | <bgm> | could also be PHP 7 ? |
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| [05:11:38] | <bgm> | commenting out "hosting_certificate_prevent_orphaned_services" seems to help |
| [05:12:31] | <bgm> | https://gitlab.com/aegir/hosting_https/issues/7 |
| [05:13:40] | <bgm> | k, yeah, just making hosting_certificate_prevent_orphaned_services() return early, seems to fix the clear-cache loop |
| [05:14:31] | <bgm> | colan: your last comment on that issue isn't very clear? did you patch hosting_https or only aegir core 3.9? |
| [05:30:10] | * bgm wonders what happens if I deploy a playform from git, and the root of the site is not the root of the git repo |
| [05:30:38] | * anarcat |
| [05:30:41] | <anarcat> | er |
| [05:30:43] | <anarcat> | nevermind |
| [05:33:12] | <bgm> | I could probably write a custom provision module that changes the root, right? |
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| [05:47:54] | <bgm> | wee, that works :) |
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| [06:02:15] | <bgm> | (on second thought.. nope, not a good idea) |
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| [06:25:26] | <colan> | bgm: oh, right. sorry, forgot about that. lemme find the issue.... |
| [06:26:52] | <colan> | bgm: https://gitlab.com/aegir/hosting_https/issues/7 |
| [06:27:08] | <colan> | "The latest Hosting dev is required, or wait for 3.9." |
| [06:27:37] | <colan> | but i don't understand why there's no error issued. |
| [06:27:39] | <bgm> | oh, ok, misunderstood "updated the code here" :) |
| [06:28:05] | <colan> | we're adding a parameter to a function call which doens't exist. |
| [06:28:11] | <colan> | shouldn't php complain? |
| [06:28:46] | <colan> | bgm: if you patch/upgrade hosting, does the loop go away? |
| [06:29:38] | <colan> | i can't believe i spent about a day trying to figure out something i already resolved. :( |
| [06:32:41] | <bgm> | hrm, this is a production-ish box, not running hostmaster-dev/git, I would need to find the patch |
| [06:32:49] | <bgm> | but kind of chasing 101 issues right now :) |
| [06:33:19] | <colan> | bgm: np, will try on my dev server. |
| [06:33:24] | <colan> | ...and here's why: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7928707/why-does-php-not-throw-an-er... |
| [06:33:48] | <colan> | i didn't bother remembering because i assumed an error would get thrown. |
| [06:34:44] | <bgm> | heh |
| [06:35:01] | <colan> | anyway, thanks for helping me connect the dots. :) |
| [06:35:05] | <bgm> | strong typing on objects, but no enforcement of parameters.. |
| [06:35:31] | <bgm> | np, sorry I can't debug further for now. really hoping to get civicrm folks to adopt aegir |
| [06:35:31] | <colan> | yeah, totally forgot about the arbitrary length of arg lists. |
| [06:36:08] | <colan> | bgm: good luck, sounds worthwhile. |
| [06:37:11] | <bgm> | we have lots of partner-shops giving a hand in the theming, and everytime it's way too complicated to onboard them. |
| [06:37:42] | <bgm> | now they'll each have their dev site on our dev VM, remote-import/clone, etc :) |
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| [07:10:08] | <colan> | bgm: the hosting patch makes things a lot better, but i still occasionally get the views error. drush rr fixes it though. |
| [07:10:33] | <colan> | "Invalid argument supplied for foreach() views.module:103" |
| [07:10:48] | <bgm> | is hosting_https altering views? |
| [07:11:12] | <colan> | shouldn't be, but could still be related to hosting_get_servers() |
| [07:11:26] | <colan> | i don't know. |
| [07:11:56] | <colan> | happens on a cache clear |
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| [07:20:22] | <colan> | if i do 2 in a row, i get it on the second one. |
| [07:31:11] | <bgm> | weird, not really seeing this here |
| [07:32:01] | <bgm> | although didn't really do much in that area for now. hosting_https is enabled, and enabled on a 'server' node, but no site cert generated yet (waiting for the DNS to update) |
| [07:32:13] | <bgm> | but finally got civicrm to install, found a bug :) |
| [07:42:58] | <colan> | bgm: good point. care to review+merge https://gitlab.com/aegir/hosting_https/merge_requests/10 for me? |
| [07:44:27] | <bgm> | just the readme? done |
| [07:45:02] | <colan> | thanks. yep, just wanted to make it clear in the instructions. |
| [07:51:59] | <bgm> | ideally we should change the help text in hosting_https/hosting_https.nodeapi.inc ? |
| [07:56:33] | <colan> | bgm: go for it. |
| [07:57:34] | <colan> | yes, we should try to keep that stuff up-to-date. |
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| [08:07:41] | <bgm> | colan: https://gitlab.com/aegir/hosting_https/merge_requests/11 :) |
| [08:08:35] | <bgm> | result: https://www.bidon.ca/files/tmp/hosting_https_help.jpg |
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| [08:14:30] | <gusaus> | anyone know whta this is all about? https://twitter.com/Dries/status/804011023124434944 |
| [08:14:30] | <hefring> | gusaus: 6 hours 1 min ago <ergonlog1c> tell gusaus Interesting, but I think Robert is confusing an e-commerce front-end with the hosted SaaS distribution. While building the latter in Drupal makes all kinds of sense, doing so with the former, while feasible, is a completely separate issue. We've seen all kinds of alternatives in the Aegir-based SaaS space. |
| [08:19:36] | <bgm> | presumably yet another "free kittens" type of install |
| [08:20:03] | <bgm> | install & forget (until the VM starts mining bitcoins) |
| [08:21:16] | <gusaus> | wonder if that will be a 1 click install for distributions too? |
| [08:24:43] | <gusaus> | ergonlog1c: I’m obviously looking forward to testing the waters in the Aegir-based SaaS space. Also sending contributions/contributors back to the project :) |
| [08:34:07] | <ergonlog1c> | gusaus: lightsail looks like AWS competing for the low-end VM market (along the lines of Linode or Digital Ocean) |
| [08:36:39] | <bgm> | or bitnami / google-cloud |
| [08:37:09] | <ergonlog1c> | well, basically, how everyone else sells VMs |
| [08:38:15] | <gusaus> | do any of these have 1-click distro installs in addition to drupal |
| [08:40:09] | <ergonlog1c> | well, as bgm hinted at earlier, it's not spinning up an instance or deploying an app on it that's the real challenge. It's managing through its entire lifecycle. |
| [08:41:46] | <gusaus> | right |
