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| [22:00:09] | <helmo42[m]> | colan: I tried the apache clientcert thing again but havn't got it working... I'll ask someone tonight |
| [23:39:57] | <colan> | helmo42: Okay, thanks. |
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| [04:07:35] | <calbasi> | Hi, just discovering what aegir is :-) |
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| [04:09:10] | <calbasi> | I have a question: from only one aegir instance, in a server, I can "manage" several drupal sites, hosted in other servers? Or one aegir instance manage only drupal instances in ITS own server? |
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| [05:05:19] | <sensespidey[m]> | yeah, aegir can manage multiple servers |
| [05:27:27] | <calbasi> | And, all these servers managed by ONE instance of aegir should NOT have other web hosting panell as ispconfig (or cpanel, etc.), should them? |
| [05:28:06] | <calbasi> | And, all these servers managed by ONE instance of aegir should NOT have other web hosting panels like ispconfig (or cpanel, etc.), should them? |
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| [06:02:18] | <sensespidey[m]> | no, you set aegir up to know how to access the other (hosting, db) servers directly, and it provisions to them right from the aegir management interface (drupal) |
| [06:03:43] | <sensespidey[m]> | i guess you /could/ have ispconfig or whatever on those servers, but def. not needed and probly doesn't make much sense, as aegir will create apache vhosts, databases, and deploy files for you |
| [06:10:21] | <calbasi> | Well, trying to understand how can Aegir can help my actual hosting system (several servers, with Ispconfig, mainly)... |
| [06:10:53] | <calbasi> | Ispconfig manages databases (aegir would do it) |
| [06:11:20] | <calbasi> | same for vhosts (not sure if problems here, between them) |
| [06:12:38] | <calbasi> | And, by now, I use Ispconfig to manage thinks like letsencrypt certs., scheduled database backups, |
| [06:13:24] | <calbasi> | I suppose I can do letsencript stuff by myself. |
| [06:15:08] | <calbasi> | Then, I'm trying to figure, what 2-3 main advantages using Aegir vs drupal agnostic control panel. I'm interested in your opinion... If you should choose a couple of main advantages / valuable features, which would be? |
| [06:15:38] | <sensespidey[m]> | i believe colan has a letsencrypt aegir module working, actually. sounds like the benefit you might get from aegir is about convenience and automation, but your current system may be fine too |
| [06:16:09] | <sensespidey[m]> | tbh, it's been a couple years since I actually ran aegir at all, but it's come back onto my radar recently so i'm getting back up to speed |
| [06:16:56] | <calbasi> | Convenience? What do you mean? (my English skills are not the best, I'm sorry :-) ) |
| [06:17:20] | <sensespidey[m]> | tho maybe that makes my opinion more balanced. i think the key benefits of aegir are a) convenience (everything in one place), and b) automation (push a button, spin up a drupal site). if you need drupal-agnostic, it's not great atm, tho others in this room are actively pushing toward a non-drupal-specific aegir |
| [06:17:55] | <sensespidey[m]> | by convenience i just mean you don't have to manually create a database, upload drupal's files, create a settings.php etc. |
| [06:18:14] | <calbasi> | ok |
| [06:18:18] | <calbasi> | I understand... |
| [06:18:28] | <calbasi> | In fact, I work mainly in drupal projects... |
| [06:18:52] | <calbasi> | And some moodle and civicrm (on drupal too) |
| [06:19:13] | <sensespidey[m]> | automation is more or less the same thing, but i believe you can do eg. security updates via aegir, for example |
| [06:19:24] | <sensespidey[m]> | or at least have a common dashboard to see the state of needed updates, etc. |
| [06:19:40] | <sensespidey[m]> | but things like cronjobs from a central spot, are a nice feature as wel |
| [06:20:06] | <calbasi> | Then, a drupal specialized control panel will be fine for me... I work on debian servers, and I think Debian is the default system for aegir (well, any linux, but install howto uses debian example :-) ) |
| [06:20:53] | <sensespidey[m]> | yep, i think debian is default platform for the core aegir devs (who may have more to add to this, btw :) |
| [06:21:33] | <calbasi> | Thanks for your time sensespidey... |
| [06:21:37] | <sensespidey[m]> | as i understand, it's pretty easy to stand up an aegir install to test on, these days, so you can try it out fairly easily |
| [06:21:44] | <calbasi> | Aegir sound so exciting :-) |
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| [06:36:23] | <sensespidey[m]> | calbasi: no sweat, good luck :) |
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